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penners28 4:16 Thu Mar 9
Can't pay we'll take it away

New series starting soon. Anyone watch this?

The odd 100% genuine case aside, I think they do a cracking job getting money and evicting people who don't want to pay their rent....

Am surprised some have twitter accounts etc though as I'd have thought there would be some retribution in some cases?

joe royal 12:49 Sat Mar 11
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all property is theft.

Mike Oxsaw 12:30 Sat Mar 11
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At the lower end of the market, rents are solely determined by what the government or council offer in benefits, If the benefits available for a small bed-sit in a less than desirable London suburb is £780 per month, then the rent will be about £800.

There's an endless supply as councils are obliged to house people as a duty of care, so it's no surprise buy-to-let is so attractive. It literally is a licence to print money.

An old Victorian 2-up, 2-down can be converted into 6 bedsits. That's almost 5 grand a month guaranteed income (lost to the state, incidentally).

Buy and convert one such property and it's paid for itself in about 5 years - after a year, it will be easy to fund a second and then a third based solely on the income generated through earlier purchases.

The state really should be performing this function, keeping benefit money within the treasury as opposed to splashing it out to private landlords.

It's the unwillingness of the state to take on this function/responsibility that allows/encourages private landlords to flourish.

If there was no commercially attractive demand, private enterprise wouldn't be interested, and the state certainly shouldn't be looking to be using this area as a profit-centre - fiscaslly neutral at best.

Spandex Sidney 11:40 Fri Mar 10
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Do people really think serial landlords push rents up?! Really?!

What's the difference between five houses owned by five landlords or one? You get the market rate, that's the capitalist society we live in, I'm sure Joe Royal expects to be able to charge the maximum for his services, why is this any different?

I rent my houses out at the market rent and to be honest the rent only gets reviewed if they are arsey. I'd much rather have the dream tenant and fifty quid less a month, much cheaper in the long run.

VOTE CONSERVATIVE!

terry-h 10:33 Fri Mar 10
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Have a look at Peter Rachman wiki page and other articles related. Interesting character in London in the sixties.

Mike Oxsaw 6:47 Fri Mar 10
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bruuuno 6:36 Fri Mar 10

And where will these people live whilst the prices are dropping to a level at which they can afford to buy - your drum?

bruuuno 6:36 Fri Mar 10
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Westside 5:39 Fri Mar 10
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there's a simple way to avoid getting knocked by dodgy tenants - don't be greedy and buy more houses than you need

Private landlords - sell your houses and make millions homeless.




Good idea - this would release millions of homes onto the market which would result in prices dropping so that the average working man can then afford to buy a house for his family to live in

bruuuno 6:23 Fri Mar 10
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In respect to making money from the property market, that is. Totally different from a builder who gets knocked for doing a job, as said builder has actually done the work for that job.

bruuuno 6:22 Fri Mar 10
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That's exactly what I'm saying

penners28 6:17 Fri Mar 10
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Bruuno, are you saying then if you got money, either by working your arse off or inheriting etc, then losing a few grand doesnt matter?

bruuuno 6:14 Fri Mar 10
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Trevor B 5:41 Fri Mar 10
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Not saying they shouldn't but the housing situation in this country means people can make absolute fortunes from doing basically fuck all. A few grands lost rent on occasion is hardly a big deal considering.

penners28 5:51 Fri Mar 10
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also interesting that these people are too "depressed" to work, but the 26k soon cheers them up enough to want to start their own business. lots of people have depression but HAVE to work.

also interesting that people like me have paid into the system for yrs, but dont get given 26k tax free as a lump sum...

Northern Sold 5:46 Fri Mar 10
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Anyone watch that prog' last night where they give people their benefits for a year (about £26k) to get them started up in business... woman phoned up asking to be taken off benefits and then her land lord evicts her as he's a benefits only renter... work that out...??

Trevor B 5:41 Fri Mar 10
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Or maybe buy decent houses in good areas and rent to professional people, instead of buying shit houses in shitholes and renting to scum.

Westside 5:39 Fri Mar 10
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there's a simple way to avoid getting knocked by dodgy tenants - don't be greedy and buy more houses than you need

Private landlords - sell your houses and make millions homeless.

Trevor B 5:37 Fri Mar 10
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Why shouldn't people be allowed to make money from the housing market? What utter rubbish.

Mike Oxsaw 5:34 Fri Mar 10
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martyboy 4:01 Fri Mar 10

It does rather grate with my personal freedom stance, but I tend to feel that when on benefits to (help) cover the cost of accommodation, people should not have the choice as to whether to pay for that accommodation or not, and seek supplementary benefits to cover things like food & heating elsewhere - they ARE available, but, as I mentioned, stuffed behind a massive administrative wall (which is not, I hasten to add, the correct way to tackle potential fraud, certainly in the 21st century).

"They" can find out soon enough if you don't have a TV licence, so multiple benefit claims at a single address should be a doddle to police.

bruuuno 5:26 Fri Mar 10
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theres a simple way to avoid getting knocked by dodgy tenants - don't be greedy and buy more houses than you need

mashed in maryland 4:30 Fri Mar 10
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Mate of mine a few years back lost a job thru no fault of his own. Was living in rented accommodation which was strictly no DSS. He signed on and found a new job pretty quickly, but the start date kept being pushed back and he ended up being out of work for about 2-3 months. The benefits he claimed didn't anywhere near cover his rent, and he went thru all his savings and a couple of loans keeping afloat in this time. He was also shitting himself the entire time, because if his landlord found out he wasn't working he'd have been kicked out, and if the JC found out he'd got a job they'd have stopped his money, both leading to homelessness. Quite a tricky situation. This also meant he was technically breaking the law and was a "benefits cheat".

Life can plunge from "comfortable" to "fucked" very, very quickly. Situations like the above almost always work out OK if you're young and free (plus it's all character building init) but if you're a family man/woman and have a mortgage to pay and suddenly find yourself out of work, it can be devastating.

Meanwhile of course there are bottom feeders and professional doleys who are happy living sedentary, pointless lives at the rest of our expense and seem to get away with it for generations. Problem is that tightening up on laws/regs seems to just make things harder for honest people who find themselves on hard times.

martyboy 4:01 Fri Mar 10
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There is no simple answer to the question of why people choose not to pay there rent. Every case is different. We have a class in this country we can call " Bottom Feeders". We all know at least one of them. There daily circle of life is lay in bed until the half way house they are staying in chucks them out for the day, off for a wander around town until the pubs open. Drink all day, poncing pints off people. Roll back in late afternoon, smoke a couple of spiff's. Iceland £1 meal, Crash out, repeat daily. This is very common in northern shit hole towns.

Mike Oxsaw 3:35 Fri Mar 10
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penners28 3:27 Fri Mar 10

Less than 16 hours a week and even then, if they're on Jobseekers Allowance they have to be available for (other) job interviews AND to be called in to "sign on", which seems to be at a different time each week in order, it seems to make sure a claimant really is available (and not working cash-in-hand, I assume).

A lot of the people re-housed (out of the shelters, at least) are actually better off not working, in the main due to the ferocity with which benefits are cut once employment starts (and if benefits come from multiple sources, each source will cut as it sees fit, leaving the claimant, who is now trying to earn a crust) to try to find time to sort things out.

That being said, out of the hundred or so people a saw go through the shelters, not one would I ever consider taking on as an employee, in any capacity.

penners28 3:27 Fri Mar 10
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they could always get a job to make up the shortfall?

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